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August 28, 2004

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Jack Cushman

Shameless self-promotion: realprotest.org is another techno "protest" in which the protesters spend their time at work on the day Bush is nominated and donate every dollar they earn to MoveOn's Leave No Voter Behind campaign. It's not, perhaps, as visceral, but it is likely to have a practical and immediate effect on the political process. I'd be interested in your thoughts on how it fits in.

Alexander Somma

Wild, while I won't be able to be there. I will join in spirit.

humidhaney

Right on. I agree with most of this and am very glad you did so much research for me (as usual).

The bike idea is genius. I tossed a shout out to it on my blog the other day.

And also congrats on the posting on boingboing.

Remus Shepherd

I haven't read the Sterling story, but it seems to me that you're overlooking a very simple way for the authorities to stop a Wende from happening. When the chaos looks unmanagable, they'll simply start putting the crowd down with tear gas, hoses, and if necessary bullets and tanks. Just like they did in Tienamen Square, and to a lesser extent the WTO protests in Seattle.

This might be a bloody crowd control action, nothing we haven't seen before. Or it might merely be minor anarchy glossed over by a lapdog press corps.

Douglas Easterly

Great article Jonah - this will make great reading material for the grad seminar's first meeting this week. Thanks!

Kevin Ferron

I suppose that you have full moderation privilages, but really, "At this very minute George W. Bush, the arbiter of perhaps the most secretive and fascistic regime this country has ever seen, is waging a campaign based on lies, deceit, and emotional manipulation." is quite a statement to make when you yourself are censoring peoples opinions for your own political agenda. Maybe you need to look more at the entire sytem than some paranoid vision of evil republicans or whatever your little head is irrationally tallying.

lload

Kevin, maybe you should take your head out of your ass and realize that you should be paranoid. America, the world, is facing a juggernaut that doesn't hold national ties, could careless about a body count, and bows to the all mighty dollar.

-d

Hey,
Interesting article. While I support this mobilisation against Bush (and more importantly, the cronies at Halliburton and such which provide the economic motivation for his past actions) I don't believe that this is a Wende in the same way that Sterling portrayed it.

If I recall correctly, the idea behind the Wende was a confluence of disparate political, economic etc goals, resulting in mass chaotic movement on the same day and at the same place. If this were a Wende, the movements would be focussed on different aims, whereas here you have a huge populace unified in their anti-Bush sentiment.

Regardless, should be interesting to watch through the *internet*. Remember how the anti-war protests were ignored and misrepresented throughout the press. I expect the same to happen this time; downplayed portrayals and coverage which ignores protests entirely will likely be the mainstream media's coverage.

-d

Stardance

Personally, I don't see a "Wende" coming from protesting against and interfering with the Republican Party's nominating convention. If the level of violence, even if it is "police riots", is very high (especially accompanied by a lot of property damage), then that will almost certainly favor George Bush. As one who is opposed to George Bush to begin with, I sympathize with most of the demonstrators (except with the anarchists, who should have assaulted the Democratic Convention, if they REALLY BELIEVED in acting on their "principles"). But the great "middle" of the US electorate do not sympathize with many, if any, of the demonstrators, nor do they particularly sympathize with George Bush --but they will perceive VIOLENT opposition to George Bush as threatening to the existing, established "civil order", and come down on George's side, not on the side of progressive politics.

Pope Guilty

Attempts to supress a Wende through force will only make it more chaotic.

Remember, Imposition of Order = Escalation of Disorder.

NelC

Folks, the SCLM will play up any violence or even disorder to make the Dems look bad. If all it is, is somebody getting frustrated and knocking a cop's hat off, it'll be all over the evening news as a "riot".

The thing to do is to just ignore the Repubs. Completely and utterly shun them, starve the convention of the oxygen of publicity so that it becomes a non-event.

Jonah

Thanks for the comments everyone.

//Kevin F. I don't know what censorship you are referring to. I haven't deleted any comments here, everyone here is entitled to their opinion, even you, even though I think you are wrong.

//-d, I didn't mean to convey that the RNC protests were exactly like Sterling's Wende, that's why I used the historical notion of Die Wende as another reference point. I feel like the results will fall somewhere between these two events.

Cory Gerard

I feel that the underlining issue with the GOP and even the political structure within the U.S.A. is that we have the rich and or powerful class of people who represent us in a Republic, and not a true democracy, and on top of that we have a huge number of illiterate or stupid people that can be used, or are already being used by those in charge to further their goals. This ignorance can be seen by looking at many of the people who littered the RNC this past week.

Cory Gerard

There is def more involved with the issues at hand, ie people brought up to not question authority, and that our political system is made up of only two major parties when there should be at least 3. Also our economy is more detrimental to the enviornment, to communities, and especially to peoples self image.

mike f

I think the new innovative forms of protest are very interesting. I can see how they would be effective at the RNC but I don't see these protesting applications producing any more of a dramatic effect than traditional protests. It seems they are targeted at the people attending the convention and not the people sitting at home watching it. I think these new protesting applications could have the potential to reach more people. Also, you say that Bush is using his choice of location as emotional manipulation. What if the convention was not in New York? He would be criticized to no end if he did not hold the RNC in New York where one of the most tragic events in American History occured under his watch.

D. Hazel

I don't think the RNC should have chosen NYC, it is way to obvious of a ploy to use the emotions and recent events of the area for their own purposes. I have never heard of many of the groups that were mentioned as protestors nor the technology they employed. Reading the links on them and their opinions and methods of protest was very informative to me. I haven't really kept current on the RNC nor the protesting since I felt I needed a break from politics for even a little while.

the Stan

I think my favorite night of RNC had to be the second, when diversity was one of the main themes of the evening, to broaden the republican image from a bunch of rich white assholes, to now include the token minorities that will be so important to the upcoming election. i come from california, where any given city is more ethnically diverse than most states. I specifically remember newsweek saying how important the voting demographic of latina housewives would be (coming from california), and how most who don't put much effort in getting involved in the issues themselves will vote for the most polished candidate. A lot of people in california, us citizens, don't even speak much or any english; will they have a fair chance at picking a candidate they agree with, or simply the most confident. That character/ persona will hold more emphasis over the election in my opinion, case in point: gov. arnold schwarzeneger, who was voted into political office for noteriety. the republicans are playing their cards right, and no matter how many documentaries are made showing the goddamned truth, there will be plenty of rationalization and denial to go around. i cynically believe that until a truly great tragedy befalls this country, the main populous will never wise up when they can blindly follow their next golden god. THEY LIVE!!

Dave H

I was having a conversation with a neighbor of mine during the summer about politics/Bush/terrorism. He told me that he was happy that America was at war because finally we were doing something about protecting the public from terrorists. I heard him out and told him my views and as we saw that we greatly disagreed we changed the subject. I just dont understand how people can believe Bush's lies. He contradicts himself all the time and he tells us that he does everything to help the American public, but it seems like he is only trying to help himself. I know many people that share the same views as my neighbor does, but I hope they can open their eyes and consider some of the opinions that the protesters in NYC are sharing.

morgan

It is completely frightening to me that Bush is so incredibly close to winning (re-)election. This summer, I went to Texas to visit my brother and this fear was completely rationalized. While it is honestly difficult to find someone who supports Bush here in New York, the exact opposite is true there. They have a "President George W. Bush" highway running through the middle of Dallas. It's f*cking frightening. I agree with 'the Stan', I’m a political cynic. Personally, human beings as an organization continue to astound me as a pack of ignorant animals who are too obsessed with themselves and the trivial troubles of their own lives to be bothered with the good of the masses. It stinks. And now republicans are trying to do this "YOU are in danger! Terrorists are everywhere! VOTE BUSH, HE CAN SAVE YOU" thing. And y'know, it's working. And it will continue to work for the next few thousand years or so, until our brain pans pop just a few more nanometers outward to the point where someone sits up and says "heyyy... the president is wearing no clothes!... also he's peeing in my coffee!! ...this is laaaaame!" until then, drink up Dallas, we salute ya.

Rob S

I was a senior in high school when the last election took place between bush and gore... a lot have changed since then, I am understand politics much more... I know enough now to relize that the state of our nation with bush in charge is embarassing. With each lie, each screwup, and each bullshit statement made by members of the bush administration I feel less and less proud to say i'm an american. When you screw up big at a job mulitple times you get fired... bottom line, no "ifs"," ands" or "buts". Bush has screwed up BIG TIME, multiple times... he should be relpaced. Honeslty, in this situation,I think the best thing for this nation would be a political uprising as mentioned in the artical. Im almost poistive there are millions of people boiling up is inside with anger and frustration over the state our nation... The pots going to boil over if bush is elected again. theres no doubt in my mind. If president bush continues into another term things are going to get messy and I actually think it will be relieving to see.

Tony Baldascino

All in all, the protests against Bush were a huge failure. As much as the liberal press tried to make a big story out of the protests, they really couldn't materialize anything solid.

The protests did not open up anyone's eyes. They were completely expected and the messages they are communicating are stale and ineffective by now. The footage of a protestor attacking an NYPD officer did not help their cause either. This man arrested (found the next night by police because he was protesting with the same clothes that he was videotaped wearing the night before) was only one of over a 1000 arrests. Most of America will not side with the extremists that protest like this. The web based anti-Bush community is very extreme too. All of these far-left fanatics are going to scare away the independent voters of America.

Ask Howard Dean if loud-mouthed irrational behavior gets you far in politics or not...

If you actually need phsyical proof that the protests were not effective for Kerry, check Newsweek's most recent poll which gives Bush a commandable double-digit lead of 52-41 over the Senator. After the DNC, Kerry did not get as large of a boost in poll numbers.

I think it needs to be said that its ridiculous that a quick assignment to comment on this article has turned into the need to add your personal political beliefs. Some of these were inappropriate and there's no excuse for that.

Jonah

Tony, it's really hypocritical for you to call other people out for stating their agreement with my POV while you throw bombs around.

Also, your view of what the protests did or didn't do is irrelevant. Sure, they didn't sway the entire electorate away from voting for Bush but what they did do was mobilize and amplify the dissent of hundreds of thousands of citizens who demand political change. Sure they weren't all over the major media outlets but there were big stories in all of the major newspapers and the web, which is now the primary newsource for at least 60% of the country, was covered in stories about the protests. Just the fact that someone like yourself is commenting on the protests proves their power.

Finally, your point about the arrests is irrelevant as well. Let's think about it this way, around 1500 people were arrested in total, many of which have turned out to be illegitimate anyway. So if we say that there were a grand total of 500,000 protestors in the streets then the total amount of 1500 arrested represents .03% of the total protestors. That means the protests have been 99.97% peaceful and legal(if all arrests were legitimate, which they weren't). That's a high rate of success. These were not the protests of Chicago 68 or Seattle WTO. They were a new kind of protest; heterogeneous, collaborative, peaceful and creative. And again, here we are discussing them so././.

Sean

I've been hoping for some time now that the American public would wake up to the endless lies and break free of the manipulation the administration disguises as protection. Like other readers however, I don't feel confident that will happen anytime soon. It's very sad to feel myself being beaten down, even as an observer, from the past four years in our country that historically prides itself on being strong, free willed and able to make change for the better. Yes, I'm jaded thinking about the fear that flows through the minds of half the people in the USA. And hearing the VP telling people that another attack will happen if JK takes office (wha?!) just blows me away! The nature of terrorism is uncontrollable no matter what party you're associated with. Just like the guy who wants to break into your home or car, if he really wants to, he will. The real issues are about the lies that got us in Iraq (again) and the misguided good vs. evil plot that will just perpetuate more violence anyway. Protecting the world from what? Possible training ground for terrorists? WMD's that didn't exist?! No, from anyone that stands in the way of corporate power, greediness and narrow minded thinking.

Nothing may sway the people of today while watching the biased entertainment also known as network news that traditionally is thought to be truth. There is no truth anymore. Only fear. And we know from Frank Herbert's, "Dune" that 'fear is the mind-killer.' The GOP has the general public exactly were they want them. It may seem we need to speak out against the politicians but the real battle - the most difficult one - is the battle to get your neighbor to turn off the lies and find a new source of inspiration.

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